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We all went to
Florida after that conversation and during our trip to Florida
we had several conversations in the car with Jacob. It was
some other boys that were there and Jacob started talking
about going on the land and taking some of the kids, just
kidnapping some of the children
off the land. He was talking
about my sister, my sister was still there, my younger sister Islah was still there and he wanted us to just go up there and
just take her and take some of the other little girls and boys
off the land because he didn’t feel that they should be living
on the land with his father. But we had all agreed that that
was not going to happen. None of us was interested in going up
on the land and kidnapping anybody, so Jacob said, “well then,
we can just do it the legal way”. He started bringing up
different things in the community like how we grew up, how we
lived. He brought up the fact that he was in love with Nicole
and he felt that because Nicole liked his father that it was a
betrayal and that his father was the one responsible for it.
Jacob thought that his dad was responsible for his mother’s
death and his brother’s death and he really, really felt that
he needed to take revenge on his father and he was not able to
do it, but we were able to do it because we were there longer
and we were closer to his dad than he was. So Jacob had a
conversation with me and Karima and Nicole Lopez. Nicole Lopez
had a lot of disgruntled issues with Jacob’s dad, because for
one, she was kicked out and she felt that it was wrong that
she was kicked out because she didn’t have anywhere to go. She
didn’t know anybody and after all the years that she lived in
the community, Malachi kicked her out, and she had nowhere to
go. So she was kind of mad about that. Everybody started
venting in the car about different things that we didn’t like.
It didn’t have nothing to do with child molestation, it had
nothing to do with any criminal acts, it was just different
things, normal things that you don’t like about growing up or,
you know, we might have had a argument with Malachi here and
there and we brought up the situation. Jacob kind of fed off
of that anger and he convinced all of us that we should take
that anger and we should go to the government with a story
about his father. We all went down to Florida and we had fun,
we did our thing, on the trip back from Florida, we were
driving in Jacob’s car again. It was myself, Karima, Nicole,
Farah, Nuh Rashid and some other driver I don’t remember his
name, and Jacob brought up the conversation again, how he
thinks that we should really go to the government with a story
about his father. Anything that we didn’t like in the
community we should go because his father needed to be in
jail. His father did not do good things, he was not happy with
his father and he really felt that a case should be brought up
against his father. He really felt that his father should be
put away for life. He did not deserve to live. That
conversation subsided and we finally made it back to Georgia
from Florida and Jacob had a conversation with me again and he
told me that there were certain children that did go to the
FBI about different things with myself and that it was no way
I would be able to prove that it didn’t happen. The only way I
can make any good of it is to go to the FBI with a story, seek
immunity and just go from there. I still told Jacob that I was
not interested in doing that and there was nothing that I’d
witnessed or nothing that I’d known that was going on, but
Jacob believed that because the FBI knew who I was and because
they were told things about me that it was best that I go to
them and talk to them and see what’s up.
At that point I was afraid, I mean nobody really messes with
the FBI. So I went to the FBI the following day. They called
Jacob up first. I sat in the car. Jacob talked with them, I
don’t know what the conversation was about because I wasn’t in
the room and I wasn’t told what the conversation was about,
but Jacob went up there and he talked to them, and then about
an hour later they called me up. I stated my name, I stated
who I was, they asked me about different children and they
called out different names like Amala and Krystal, and I told
them I know those children. Whatever name they called if I
knew the person I told them I knew the person. They asked me
to state my life, the reasons why I left and the reason why I
was there. I told them about life in the community, growing
up, why we left. I was questioned about the money situation
because I did deal with the financial situation, I told them
how we ran our finances, I ran off different people that I
knew that was there, different people that I knew that had
left and why they left. They asked me about certain children,
they asked me about certain stories that they were told and I
told them that yeah, I went along the story, I told them that,
‘yes, I did do these things’. I felt that I had to tell them
yes because I was told that they already knew and there no way
for me to deny anything that didn’t happen or anything that
did happen, I had to tell them what I felt that they know
because I felt that, like Jacob told me, they already knew the
story and there was no way that I could say that didn’t
happen, I would have to prosecute myself, to make whatever was
said against his father, make it more real, make it sound more
believable, if we all prosecuted ourselves then whatever we
say about Malachi would be believable. That interview ended by
them asking me about different people that I knew that would
want to talk, different members that I knew that would want to
assist them in the case. The only names that I knew were other
members that I knew that were disgruntled. Like Nicole had her
own issues with Malachi, Karima had her own issues with
Malachi, Sakina also, Amala, Krystal different people that I
knew that had issues against him, I gave them those names.
So after that, they started calling different people.
Everybody kind of got involved. Everybody called everybody and
that’s how the case kind of started.
The question next would be, why did I go ahead with the story?
Why did I never take it back? Why didn’t I ever just tell the
truth at that time?
I felt really pressured to go along with the story. I felt
that I had to go along with the story. We all kind of called
each other. And was backing up each other’s story. If Nicole
did an interview with the FBI then she would call us and we
would back up her story. If Nicole spoke to them then she
would call us so in case they called me, then I could back up
whatever Nicole was saying and that’s kind of how we did it,
we all just called each other and said “yeah, I did this, I
said this” and then we can back each other up and that would
make the story sound more real, make it sound more believable.
If we all back each other up, it can sound more believable.
I was afraid that my initial interview that I had given, a
statement, I was afraid that if I was to take that back, I did
not know if I was going to be prosecuted, it’s not like I had
an attorney to represent me, I did not have my personal
attorney to explain to me what the steps were, what the
charges were, what immunity really meant. What I believed
immunity to mean was that I would be protected, anything that
I would state on the witness stand that could be used against
me, anything that I would say that could be used against me, I
would be protected from that, that’s what I understood my
immunity to mean. It was never explained in detail what the
agreement was about, what the immunity was about, that was the
jest of what I understood it was about. So at the time, I went
thought with the story because I was afraid for my life, I was
afraid that they could take me to jail, that I could be
incarcerated, that my children would be taken away from me,
and it was different times during the two year process that I
spoke to different FBI agents. I spoke to Joan, I spoke to
Jalaine, I spoke to Tracy from the sheriff’s department and
there was a couple occasions where they did remind me that
“you know Habibah you could be incriminated for certain things
you are about to say as well”. So being reminded of that, I
felt compelled to go just go ahead with the story, I didn’t
want to change my story at the time, I didn’t want to break
the agreement because I was told that by breaking the
agreement meant that I would be incarcerated and I would be
prosecuted because I had given statements already. And like I
said, I wasn’t represented by a personal attorney. The
prosecution had an attorney that represented all the witnesses
and all of the victims. I was not represented by a personal
attorney. So, I really didn’t know my rights, I really didn’t
know the laws, I didn’t know what I could do, what I can’t do,
so I felt compelled to just go ahead with the story that
everybody else was telling.
Why I want to come out with the truth now?
It’s really, really important for me to come out with the
truth now because I don’t sleep at night knowing that two
people are spending their lives in jail as I speak because of
statements that a bunch of ex disgruntled members came out
with. The whole trial against Malachi was personal. It was on
personal anger reasons. We all had our own issues why we were
angry with him and Jacob told us that we could come out with a
story, we could eventually file for a class action lawsuit, we
could all sue him for millions of dollars and get money from
it and we could even go to making movies and we could even go
to making books and stuff like that. So everybody fed off of
that idea.
Prior to Jacob telling us about the civil suit, he showed us
video documentary on Charles Manson, on the Heaven’s Gate
dude, different leaders that kind of ran cults and Jacob
showed us this documentary. He showed it to me, showed it to
Nicole, he basically showed it to everybody that left the
community-the girls. And he wanted us to look at this
documentary and compare it to his father. The way that we
lived, the fact that, ‘yes we did live with the children with
the children, the parents with the parents, the brothers
together, the mothers together’. He wanted us to compare
everything that they've been through with us so that we can
put in our minds that “no we didn’t live a normal life, yes we
were a cult” so he showed all of us that documentary so that
we can sort of compare the two so that before we even start
testifying, we could understand that yes we were a cult. He
wanted that to be in our minds. So that we could go with that
type of mind frame as opposed to “we were normal, we just all
have our own issues, we’re mad, but it’s all good”. No, he
wanted us to believe that, ‘listen, this is the documentary on
this cult and this is what we lived’, and he wanted us to
compare that so that we could have that type of mind frame. In
other words, it added on to the anger that ‘wow, this how we
grew up or this is what it is’.
Anyways, like I was saying, I feel totally guilty for bringing
this case against Malachi. I don’t feel that it’s right that
he is in jail right now because all of us were angry and we
all got together and agreed to this case. And we went ahead
with it and now he’s facing life in jail for it. It’s not
right, it’s not fair for anybody to be prosecuted because of
somebody else’s personal reasons. I don’t think that he should
be incarcerated because of that. If we all did have issues
against him then that’s human nature but nobody should be sent
to jail because of a bunch of lies. And what was said on that
stand was a bunch of lies. Like I said, we all called each
other up we all backed each other’s story up. We all kind of,
‘okay you said this to this person and I said that to that
person, okay that’s fine’. Jacob went to each and every one of
us and tried to make it personal between each and every one of
us. With me it was like “you was in charge, you had control of
a lot of things and so anybody could say this about you and it
would be believable because you was in charge”. There was no
denying that I was in charge, I was in charge. So I felt that
I had to go along with the story because I couldn’t prove
anything that anybody would say against me, I couldn’t prove
it, he told me that once they told the FBI something, that the
FBI is looking into you, they start looking into me. There was
no way that I could prove that what anybody said about me was
wasn’t the truth or wasn’t a lie, there was no way, so I felt
compelled to just go ahead with the story. As far as Nicole is
concerned, Jacob appealed to her because Nicole was in love
with one of the younger boys. And so Jacob knew that if they
found out that about Nicole Nicole would be so afraid that she
could be prosecuted with that, she would also be compelled to
tell a story about his father because she didn’t want to be
incriminated for whatever feeling she had. So different people
had different reasons. Jacob made everything personal between
all of us. So we all had personal reasons for being pressured,
or feeling that we had to go through with the story.
Like I was saying, like Nicole Harden, the whole situation
with the RICO charges. I know that I previously stated that
Malachi York never told us not to structure any money and he
also never told us not to sign or not to report when we made
over $10,000 dollars. He never told us not to ever file that
report. In court, I was told Nicole Harden told the FBI that
he did tell us not to sign that document, I would have known
if he would have said that because I was in charge of the
money, I was the person that was in charge of the financial
office. If anything was told about finances it would have
definitely have came through me. But I do believe that Nicole
felt compelled to go ahead with that story because, for one,
Nicole Harden is the one who did refuse to sign those
documents and she’s also the one who always gave the tellers a
problem and a hard time whenever it came to those type of
transactions. So I believe that’s the reason why Nicole did
say that “yes , he said that”. But he’s never said that to me,
he’s never said that to anybody else that I’ve known, and like
I said, I was the one in charge of the finances. And I would
have known anything that he would’ve said as far as the
finances goes.
Back to the reason why I feel that it is important to tell the
truth now, like I said, I could have told the truth before,
but I was afraid. I felt that I was pressured to just go ahead
with the story. I was being reminded how I was doing the right
thing, that this is a good thing that I’m doing. I was doing
the right thing and as well, I did have to remind myself that
I could be incriminated. So, I felt that, ‘okay, if you tell
me a hundred times that it’s the right thing to do, if that’s
what all of the agents are telling me, then it is the right
thing to do.’ I didn’t feel that it was the right thing to do,
but I was being told it was the right thing to do. I felt
really, really pressured. I know you can say that why don’t I
feel pressured now; It’s not that I don’t feel pressured now,
I just feel that the truth has to come out. There’s no way
that any person in their right mind can go ahead and live the
rest of their life knowing that they sent somebody to jail for
life on lies. There is just no way. And there is no way I can
live the rest of my life knowing that Malachi is going to
spend the rest of his life in jail, knowing that Kathy is in
jail now because of charges that we brought up against her.
Every time I look at my children, I think about her children.
I think about the fact that her children doesn’t have her and
it’s not right, it’s just not right.
I’m also going to talk about the money situation. Yes, I was
in charge of the finances, and a lot of the financial
decisions that were made, were by me, at the time that I was
in charge. When I wasn’t in charge, when it was Kathy that was
in charge, the financial decisions were made by her. Malachi
did not make financial decisions. We collected the money, we
separated the money. When I was in charge, I was in charge of
where the money went, how the money was handled, how it was
separated. He never sat us down and told us to avoid the FBI
or avoid the IRS or do anything illegal with his money. As a
matter of fact, he was very, very serious about handling his
finances in a legal way. So anything that happened with the
finances when I was in charge, it was my decision to decide
what happened with the finances, where it went and how it was
handled. And the same goes for anybody else who was in charge
prior to me or after me. That’s how it was done.
I didn’t really understand the structure charges and I believe
that I expressed that to the U.S. attorney and I also
expressed that to FBI Jalaine that I really didn’t understand
the structure charges and they explained to me that anytime
you try to avoid filing that report then that’s a serious
charge and, like I stated previously and I believe I stated
this on my testimony on the stand, that Malachi never told us
not to file those reports. He never told us to deny any of the
tellers any information. If we did deposit over $10,000
dollars and if we were investigated, he never told us not to
follow through. He never told us not to talk to anyone about
it. So that’s how I feel about the money structure charges.
"I just want to repeat that the charges brought up
against Malachi were all lies."
We did back each other’s story up. I can’t really speak for
why other people did it. I know that a lot of them had their
own personal anger issues with Malachi. I want to state that
nobody that left the community left because they were
molested. That was never a reason why anybody left because
they were molested or because he was doing things to them that
they did not agree to. Nobody left because he was doing any
criminal acts. Nobody had any problem with that. That was
never the reason for anyone to leave – child or adult. That
was never the reason for anybody to leave. Everybody left
because they wanted to leave. Because they got fed up. I left
because I wanted a new life; it just wasn’t for me anymore.
Some people did get kicked out but it was never because of any
child molestation issues. Nobody ever left because they felt
that they were molested. There was no child that ever, ever
made a statement that “I want to leave because Malachi’s
molesting me”. That never took place. That never happened.
Like I said, the charges were all personal charges, it was all
because of personal reasons.
Jacob had at different points in time, questioned us about
“well about this boy or what about this girl, what do you
think he’s going to say? What do you think she’s going to say?
Did you ever see anything happening with this girl?” And I
would always tell Jacob “I‘ve never seen anything happen with
this boy or this girl” but Jacob forced us, he really, really
wanted us to say, ‘okay this happened with this boy, this
happened with this girl’, “well if you are going to say it
then you might as well tell them”. So he questioned all of us
about different people, and like I said, everybody had their
own personal reasons, everybody had their reason for feeling
that they had to tell the story. For me, it was because I was
in charge, and I felt pressured, I felt compelled that
anything that anybody told the FBI about me, it would be so
hard for me to try to prove that it was a lie or prove that it
was not the truth and like I said, I was never represented by
my own personal attorney, I didn’t really know my rights, I
don’t really understand the law. I wasn’t really told or I
would say I was not really informed about everything that was
going on. I know there was charges brought up against Malachi,
I knew that we had to testify, I knew what we had to say. That
was it, I did not understand that I could just get another
attorney and speak to another attorney about not going
through. There was so many times where I wanted to pull back
my statement, when I wanted to just not go through with it but
I didn’t have the support, I didn’t have the backup, I didn’t
feel that I had the protection, you know, yes I was afraid of
going to jail, I was afraid of having my children taken away
from me, I know that it’s not right to be afraid for myself
and think that it was right “okay, I can protect myself and he
still go to jail” I know that that is not right. I know that
it was a selfish thought and that’s why I’m here now, to tell
the truth, to tell it how it was.
In conclusion, it’s really, really time for the truth to come
out. This is going on two years or, I think it actually has
been two years. So many people have suffered. Malachi’s
suffering day by day because of this, and it’s really, really
not fair, I really, really believe that somebody had to come
out with the truth and like I said, everyday I think about him
suffering. Everyday, I think about how wrong it is. What we’ve
all done, how wrong it is. Everyday I think about what
happened to all of the lives of those children. So this is why
I’m putting my statement on record because it’s the right
thing to do. And like I said, I want the truth to come out, I
can’t be afraid anymore. I can’t feel pressured anymore. I
can’t say that, you know, I can’t go on with the rest of my
life knowing that I’m hiding the truth, I’m holding the truth.
I think it’s time for it to come out. It has to come out, you
know, we have to bring out the truth behind all these lies
that was put out. We have to do the right thing. And I’m here
because I want to do the right thing. Because I really want to
do the right thing. That’s it.
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